Stomp Out Honey

A Discussion on Focus on Truth

Focus on Truth Discussion on Honey (document to download)

David Ferguson to the list:

I am asking, no, BEGGING you to please join us in this worthwhile cause, and that is to rid our nation of the evil corrupting influence of that Devil's elixir called HONEY ! My Bible study has led me to the conclusion that NOTHING is more corrosive to the fabric of our nation than the continued use of honey and ALL honey products in any amount.

Please tell me you will join in this crusade before it is too late, for souls are at stake!

Here is what I have discovered and shared with others on Focus on Truth. Our movement is growing, but we need all the soldiers of Christ we can muster (and I said, MUSTER , not MUSTARD )! Had I said mustard I would have been committing blasphemy, as you soon shall learn!

"For the lips of a loose woman drip honey, and her speech is smoother than oil...." (Proverbs 5:3)

"If you have found honey, eat only enough for you, lest you be sated with it and vomit it." (Proverbs 25:16)

"It is not good to eat much honey, so be sparing of complimentary words." (Proverbs 25:27)

It is OBVIOUS from these passages that God does not want us partaking of honey in any way, shape, manner or form, for ALL consumption of honey is sin! Partaking of honey throws off all our inhibitions and they go flying right out the window, and before you know it you will find yourself with a loose woman, a JEZEBEL , dripping honey, (which we all know is Satan's syrup), from her luscious lips!

Honey makes one sick, it makes one VOMIT ! God's word says so! No Christian could ever find himself in the presence of this elixir of demons!

And if we find any passages that teach any differently about honey, why, it was because back in those days honey was not as powerful and full of demons as the honey is we have today! Bees have intermixed, (yet another abomination of God, procured by Satan), producing honey that is MUCH more potent! Just one taste licked off the end of your pinkie finger and you will find yourself rushing out to find the nearest loose woman available!

Are you considering transgressing God's law about honey and buying some for yourself? Why, just buying a six pack of honey for your private consumption is sinful because of the mere APPEARANCE of evil! And any who are beekeepers are in league with Satan, for bees are really minions of the Devil in disguise producing this intoxicant called honey to drip off the lips of loose women everywhere! How do I know this? IT'S IN THE BIBLE! It's in the book of Revelation! A honeycomb has 6 sides! The word "bee" starts with the letter B and has 3 letters! 666 ! The word "Beast" also starts with the letter B! The Bee, therefore, is the Beast! They sting you in the forehead and put their devil's mark on you!

Who's with me? Who is going to stand up and take a stand against honey and Satan?

(The above, as I hope you understood, is a joke to illustrate absurdity with the absurd!)


David R. Ferguson

Jeremy Dozier to FOT:

I am with you!

David has made some great points. However, I think we should take this a step further.

We should avoid foods and candies which are honey flavored.

This is so we do not develop a liking for the honey flavor and find ourselves tempted to try honey. And we all know where that leads.

Some have even pointed out potential benefits of "royal jelly". For those of us in the know, however, we will avoid "royal jelly" as an enabler to the manufacture of honey by the worker bees.

Also, I will avoid candles and health items made from pure beeswax (and also furniture polishes from beeswax) as this only supports the honey industry.

Dei Gratia,

Jeremy Dozier

Robert Dozier here...

Also, does it not seem appropriate to reconsider whether or not calling ones significant other "Honey" is appropriate?

I mean, I have heard people call others, "Dear", but never "Beer".

Robert Dozier

David Ferguson to Jeremy Dozier:

Great points, brother Jeremy! No more "Royal Jelly" or anything honey-related. No candy! No more candles! No more furniture polish! We know that Satan can appear as an angel of light, so don't let this "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" nonsense make a fool of you! We have to get the monkey off of our backs NOW , before it is too late, and stop the enablers of this Devil's product called honey!

We need to stop buying and growing flowers, too, for bees make honey from the nectar of flowers. Flowers have PISTILS and STAMENS ! Everyone knows these are euphemisms, the Devil's code words, for organs used to commit fornication!

Who else is with us? Do we have a movement yet?

In Him, and honey free,

David R. Ferguson

David Ferguson to Robert Dozier and the list:

And has anyone else noticed that "honey" rhymes with "money"? And what does the Bible say about that?

"For the love of money is the root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced their hearts with many pangs." (1 Timothy 6:10) I believe this is FAR more than mere coincidence! Honey rhymes with money. People need money to buy honey, and that is how they wander from the faith and pierce their hearts with many pangs! They are chasing after those loose women who have honey dripping from their luscious lips!

In Him,

David R. Ferguson

David Ferguson to Joe Hanley:

Brother Joe, sorry it has taken a while to get back with you. I have been a bit distracted today trying to rid my household of honey and all honey-related products since my epiphany that all honey consumption is evil! I am considering whether or not we should also remove the letter B from the alphabet as saying it and seeing it just naturally makes one think of bees, those minions of Satan, and the very Beast of Revelation himself, with their armies of honey-making worker bees brewing that tonic of honey to enslave mankind! But I digress....

Jeremy Dozier to the list:

I am highly considering buying a 5 gallon container of roundup and killing all of my flowers. I do not want to create an environment where honey making could be performed.

The implications are enormous. Many medicines are derived from the "toxins" found in the poison (sting) of bees, if I am remembering correctly.

I found some info on the net I would like to post below to stimulate your thinking. We are going to have to change our lifestyle dramatically:

Bees helping humans

We can thank bees for a lot of products we humans use:

Fruits & vegetables

Think of bees when you enjoy almonds, apples, avocados, blueberries, cherries, cranberries, cucumbers, kiwis, melons, peaches, pears, plums, strawberries, sunflower seeds, watermelons, and many more. These items are all the result of bee pollination!

Who doesn't like the sweet taste of honey? Honey can have different flavors and colors, too, depending on which flowers the bees used to collect the nectar. For example, there is clover honey, orange-blossom honey, sourwood honey, and buckwheat honey.

Candles made from beeswax give off a honey-scented glow and burn cleanly and brightly. Beeswax is also used for hand cream, furniture polish, and candy coatings (like jelly beans!).

We have been supporting this demonic industry for far too long!

Dei Gratia,

Jeremy Dozier

Member, Conroe Church of Christ, TX

David Ferguson to Jeremy Dozier:

Brother Jeremy, thank you for sharing this information with us! I never knew the extent of the damage that honey has made upon our society! The extremes that Satan goes to lure us with this evil are unbelievable.

Thank you for your strong stance, brother!

In Him, and honey free,

David R. Ferguson

David Ferguson to Jeremy Dozier:

Brother Dozier, we need to remove mustard from our refrigerators and store shelves as well. "Mustard?" one logically would ask. "Why mustard?" Because even the good name of mustard has now been corrupted. Jesus spoke of mustard in this way:

31. Another parable He put before them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed which a man took and sowed in his field;
it is the smallest of all seeds, but when it has grown it is the greatest of shrubs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches." (Matthew 13:31-32)

20. He said to them, "Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you." (Matthew 17:20)

But due to Satan posing as an angel of light he has now attacked our faith by MIXING mustard and honey together, something that NEVER should have been done, and calling it honey mustard! Mustard will never be the same as it will forever be associated with that most evil of corrupting influences, honey!

They sneaked it into our fast food chains as they surreptitiously served it with their processed chicken products. Oh, they knew what they were doing, all right! We developed a taste for it, for no one in his or her right mind would have ever thought of mixing these two ingredients together. It took the prodding of the Devil to pull it off.

I can remember a time when honey and mustard would never have been in mixed company, or used together, but Satan has corrupted yet another condiment! But as we blindly turned our backs and kept our silence about the evil pervading our Happy Meals? boxes, they now have mounted an all-out attack, and infiltrated supermarkets everywhere! Bottles and bottles of honey mustard can now be found on our store shelves!

Please, people, I beg of you before it is too late, remove the mustard from your homes. Say "No!" to honey! Do not support any candidate for office who is pro-honey or pro-mustard, whether or not openly or in the closet!

In Him, and doing my best to remain honey and now mustard free,

David R. Ferguson

David Ferguson to the list:

Folks, it has been a sad few minutes spent with my children, but thanks to brother Dozier, a stalwart soldier for Christ in this campaign to rid ourselves of honey, that elixir of Satan, I just got back from having my children round up all of their crayons that Satan had allowed to infiltrate into our home, and we destroyed them! We have also removed all the birthday candles and Glade aroma candles (just remove the e from "Glade" and you have "Glad" - as in Satan saying, "Glad I was able to fool you again!" But leave the e on and you have Satan coming right out and saying, "Where is it we hold our Sabbats? Why, in the Glade !")

As the children dry the tears from their eyes as they mourn the loss of their crayons and birthday candles, I know that some day they will thank me for saving them from the perils and evils of honey consumption in all of its vile and disgusting forms!

In Him, and now candle and crayon free as well,

David R. Ferguson

Joe Hanley to David Ferguson,

I will stand behind you, David, until your belly is beaten black and blue.

This is hermeneutics even a degreed man can understand. Right?

Beautifully written and should be filed away by every person quoting CENI as the only guide to faith and practice.

One can describe a bear and apply their findings to any dogma they choose and often do.

Thanks for a well-written piece.


Joe Hanley to David Ferguson,

You can count on me. We need also to take an inventory of the folks around us if they use honey in any form. Further we need to know when they went on vacation if they passed by a honey pot and partook of it, or even whiffed of its aroma.

It is terrible stuff and we must be honey police to be sure those around us never come in contact with the contaminating stuff.

This chain could go on for a thousand links and each link in this honey chain would be just as guilty of the first link because they tolerated the one who tolerated the one who tolerated the one who on vacation went by a honey pot one time fifteen years ago.

I still say your writing shows a mark of genius in spotting this terrible substance.

Peace to you if you stay away from honey,


David Ferguson to Joe Hanley:

Brother Joe, I am so delighted to have you on board as well! Will you agree to head up our honey police unit?

Your comment regarding honey pots got me thinking. I bet you all thought this was just another cute little Disney character called Winnie the Pooh, right? But what does this character do ? He eats and eats and eats HONEY ! (Not only that, he NEVER wears pants, either! He is a Pooh Bear, but a simple rearranging of the letters produces the subliminal message he is sending to our children and our youth: Hoop Bare! The Disney Company is promoting the youth of America to engage in bare naked basketball, my friends, and it all can be traced back to that most heinous of condiments ever known to man: HONEY !) We need to ban Disney and all of its products since the Disney Company has been giving its full support to the honey industry for years through the use of this "innocent" character.

And what about this Disney character?

He is none other than Christopher Robin. Take a really close look at that name, CHRIST opher ROBIN , and see it for what it REALLY means. Jesus came to GIVE of Himself, and He is the Christ. Here we have an "innocent" character from Disney taking on the name of Christ, and instead of giving he is ROBBING us of our faith! He is just the OPPOSITE of Christ, which means that Christopher Robin is the Anti-Christ! By giving honey to that bottomless bear Winnie the Pooh, he has turned Pooh into a witless slave and addict of that Devil's elixir, called honey! And he is trying to do the same to the rest of us!

And just where do these "innocent" characters live, hmmm? They live in Hundred Acre Wood! "So what's the significance of that?" you might ask. Well, I will tell you!

The number 10 is the square root of 100 . If you subtract 4 (the number of letters in the word "Acre") from 10 you come up with the number 6 . 6 is the number of sides in a honeycomb, where bees labor to produce that devil's brew, honey. We have already established in an earlier post, then, that the previously hidden identity of the Beast of the book of Revelation as being none other than the Bee who makes the honey that God's word has condemned. The Bee is the Beast (666)! And Christopher Robin is the Anti-Christ !

It has all been there in plain sight for those with eyes to see and ears to hear all along! But if it wasn't for the Bilderburgers, we all could have been honey-free decades ago!

In Him, honey and now Disney free,

David R. Ferguson

Tina here:

Well, that explains something else. You know how women are not supposed to boss men. What do you think it's called--all the things they try to tell men to do?

A HONEY-do list!

Men, be on guard! Do nothing around the house and stop running errands. You're pawns in Satan's hands.


I used honey in my tea this morning. I plan to use honey in my tea in the morning also. What say the scripture about those who refuse to repent of this sin? I hope that you will all still fellowship with me.

Marie T. Frazier

David Ferguson to Marie and Joe Hanley:

I don't know about seems to me that some sort of correction is in order. What say you, brother Joe? Aren't you our official policeman for honey violations?

In Him,

David R. Ferguson

Joe Hanley to David Ferguson and Marie,

We cannot let something like this slide. Even a drop or two in someone's tea or cereal leaves a lasting impression on others who are weak for honey. They are burdened down with temptation and we have to help God in this to not allow others to be tempted above what they are able to bear.

So, it is the ruling of the honey police chief that anyone even suspected of having used honey, smelled a honey pot, or any close association with those who have done this dastardly sin be visited immediately. Then, in the morning take two or three with you and visit this violator(s) again and if they do not repent and quit using honey or associating with those that do, we must tell it to the assembly and mark that person and have no association with them at all. Those who will not honor this action of the honey police will immediately be asked to leave our company and never darken the door unless they will come down to the honey police and those who have been offended by this action and humbly beg forgiveness for the violation of the honey laws which are plain as the nose on Jimmy Durante's face. Anyone can see how this will need to be done to protect the innocence of all those who look to the honey police and deputies for protection.

This is only a small excerpt from the law book on honey violations. It is a private set of laws that only the honey police really know about.

One must never eat or associate with one using this substance.

Joe Hanley

Chief of the Honey Police

David Ferguson to Marie and Joe Hanley:

Sister Marie, our Chief of Honey Police has spoken. You MUST repent, and do so immediately and to our satisfaction.

Brother Joe, I am happy and delighted that you have remained on the straight and narrow in this matter. Had you veered either toward the left or the right I would have been left with no other alternative than to write you up in all of the accepted brotherhood publications and to mark you until you had publicly disavowed your heresy.

In Him and still honey and mustard free,

David R. Ferguson

Honey police?

Got a donut?

I'm really disappointed in all of you. Why haven't you cited the bane of clean thinking and clean smelling people? Honeysuckle soaps and shampoos!! Do you not realize that Johnson and Johnson (that's how many there were after Masters and Johnson got started with their filthy little studies) markets this stuff??

Perhaps you are too busy using it to care!

Rid yourselves of this sweet-smelling sin!


Manny Molasses

The Better Bread Spread

David Ferguson to Glenn Ziegler:

Brother Glenn, thank you for enlightening us to he dangers we have all been facing in our sinks, showers and tubs. I have just returned from removing all soaps and shampoos from our household. I certainly do not wish to be the cause of any brother or sister stumbling because I failed to be properly vigilant.

In Him, and honey, mustard, Disney, candle, crayon, and soap and shampoo free,

David R. Ferguson

The Big bad bear to all those honey haters,

Keep hating -- Leaves more for me.

Us Bears took a vote and we are with the honey police--just send all you collect to us and we will properly dispose of it.

Big bad bear

Robert Dozier to David Ferguson, other interested FOT folks:

One more thing concerns me about all this. Should we not try to find an acceptable substitute for the word "honey"? With its obvious association with things that no Christian should associate themselves with, are we not compelled to avoid using this word as much as possible, especially in front of small children and new Christians?

I know this is somewhat of a sticky subject, but I fear we might be causing people to sin if it keeps being talked about it the way it is on the list.

Robert Dozier

Brother David,

Once you renounced all things Disney for their association with honey-lovers and other such purveyors of evil. Yet in your closing you now omit being Disney-free. Are you slipping? Surely one of our approved publications will investigate this for us if you are...or even if we can suspect you are.

Concerned for your soul,

Manny Molasses

The Truly Sweeter Bread Spread

David Ferguson to Manny Molasses:

Brother Manny, I have closed at least twice now by stating I was Disney free, but I certainly will try to maintain a better vigilance and avoid this oversight in the future. I certainly do not wish to give the appearance of evil as we have ascertained that Christopher Robin is the Anti-Christ, and I want no part of that kingdom of darkness.

In Him, and honey, candle, candy, soap, shampoo, Disney, crayon, and mustard free,

David R. Ferguson

Honey haters,

Somehow the Richard Bear has crept in close enough to notice our communications. We must find the leak and plug it. God forbid we plug the innocent, too, but we must remain pure. Also, please do not promote the Bear's agenda by giving it your cast-off "H". You are only promoting this heresy when you do by feeding such an unspiritual agenda.

Blessings to the "H"-haters and opposition to all back-sliders and "H"-promoters,

Manny Molasses

The Truly Sweet Bread Spread

Jeremy Dozier to List:

Please consider the following disturbing facts I was able to find:

In the course of her lifetime, a worker bee will produce 1/12th of a teaspoon of honey.

JD Comments:

It is becoming clear what we must do now. Take up our swords of truth and kill the bees.

A productive hive can make and store up to two pounds of honey a day. Thirty-five pounds of honey provides enough energy for a small colony to survive the winter.

JD Comments:

We must go straight to the source, and kill all hives.

Although Utah enjoys the title "The Beehive State," the top honey-producing states include California, Florida, and South Dakota. In 1998, the United States made over 89,000 metric tons of honey. China, the world's top honey-producer, created more than 140,000 metric tons of honey in 1997.

JD Comments:

Clearly, China has a vested interest in seeing the rise of honey production. They are using this as a weapon to undermine our spirituality and cause us, by our gluttonous honey consumption, to seal our own fate.

Unlike the stingers in wasps, the honeybee's stinger is barbed. Once the stinger pierces a mammal's soft skin, the attached venom pouch pumps a mixture containing melittin, histamine, and other enzymes into the target. When the bee pulls away, the barb anchors the stinger in the victim's body. The bee leaves the stinger and venom pouch behind and soon dies due to abdominal rupture. When a honeybee stings another insect, such as a honey-plundering moth, she does not leave her stinger planted in the invader. As she retreats from the insect victim, her barbed stinger tears through the insect's exoskeleton.

JD Comments:

It is time to man up and take one for the team. We must locate the hives, and let the bees sting us by the millions, thereby causing them to kill themselves. Next time I see a bee or a hive, I will agitate it and allow them to sting me into a stupor. I will have plenty of Benadryl on hand. Sometimes doing the right thing hurts!

Dei Gratia,

Jeremy Dozier

Member, Conroe Church of Christ, TX

I suspect the bees are Islamic extremists as they are clearly using the tactics, yea they may be the architects of the modus operandi that is a clear identifying mark of Islamic radicals; the suicide bomber!

Coincidence? I don't think so! The use of suicidal bombers in countries that produce
oil out of the wazoo is the prophetic fulfillment of the honey producing bees suicidal sting.

Oliver Stone is investigating and may make a movie to expose this dual Islamic attack on the West.

Robert Dozier

David Ferguson to Jeremy Dozier:

To say this is disturbing is to put it mildly, brother Dozier.

China, as we all know, is a Godless, Communist stronghold bent on destroying our way of life. This is part of the prophecy of Revelation being fulfilled in our lifetime: "And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads." (Revelation 12:3) Everyone knows the Chinese like dragons. They are in their art and culture everywhere. Therefore, the red dragon in the book of Revelation is China. It is devouring us through producing that toxin called honey! In 1997 they produced 140,000 metric tons of honey. They are now producing in excess of 144,000 metric tons annually. 144,000 ! Coincidence? I think not! "And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand sealed, out of every tribe of the sons of Israel, twelve thousand sealed out of the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand of the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand of the tribe of Gad, twelve thousand of the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand of the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand of the tribe of Manasseh, twelve thousand of the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand of the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand of the tribe of Issachar, twelve thousand of the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand of the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand sealed out of the tribe of Benjamin." (Revelation 7:4-8) It is with this very Devil's brew, this honey, an extremely STICKY substance, that Jesus will use to DEFEAT Satan by SEALING His own 144,000 souls with it! Satan will be bested by his own devices and stratagems! It's all there right in the Bible!

In Him, and honey, candy, candle, crayon, Disney, soap, shampoo, and mustard free,

David R. Ferguson

Perhaps my taste for honey may be the consequence of repressed homosexual tendencies, since the use of honey causes one to lust after a loose woman. Would it be sinful if I were to put away the use of honey and replace it with molasses or maple syrup? For, I do not feel that I am able to contain myself as I burn with such passion for the sweet taste of this delicious substance. Wouldn't it be better to use syrup rather than to burn? Or should I remain without? I need your help with this matter. As Christians, I hope that you will all be loving while guiding me in the right direction on this.

Marie T. Frazier

David Ferguson to Marie:

Sister Marie wrote: "Perhaps my taste for honey may be the consequence of repressed homosexual tendencies, since the use of honey causes one to lust after a loose woman."

I suppose it could be possible for this to be happening, but I suggest that what is REALLY going on is that YOU are wishing to BE the loose woman with honey dripping from your lips that everyone else is desiring. Does this make sense? It is one of Satan's oldest ploys.

Sister Marie wrote: "Would it be sinful if I were to put away the use of honey and replace it with molasses or maple syrup?"

If your "h" has been unfaithful to you first , then and only then would it be okay for you to put away (divorce) your "h" and replace it with molasses or maple syrup. But if your "h" has been faithful to you then you have no Scriptural right to put away (divorce) your "h" for any other reason. Trying to hurt you or kill you are no excuses, either, for God's word is clear on this. You made this decision as an adult to become involved with "h", and you made that binding commitment and vows before God. You MUST "stick" it out, even though you can never give yourself to "h" again. Maybe by withholding yourself from "h", "h" may leave you and seek comfort with another loose woman's lips, which would then free you to pursue molasses or maple syrup, since you had proven yourself to be faithful.

Another option would be if you somehow killed your "h" by "accidentally" knocking your "h" to the floor and breaking it open, spilling its contents on the ground, which would be an abomination. This, of course, would also free you to pursue a relationship with either molasses or maple syrup since you would not be guilty of unfaithfulness, only murder, which is something you can repent of later. Putting away (divorcing) your "h" can not be forgiven as you can never be fully repented to our satisfaction unless you are reconciled with your "h" or you remain "h" or molasses or syrup celibate the rest of your life. But remember, because of the very evil nature of "h", you still would have to remain "h" celibate, even while living in the same house, should you seek reconciliation. As I said, this is the cross you have been given to bear.

Sister Marie wrote: "For, I do not feel that I am able to contain myself as I burn with such passion for the sweet taste of this delicious substance. Wouldn't it be better to use syrup rather than to burn? Or should I remain without?"

Yes, it is better to use syrup than to burn, but we have yet to determine if you have been the put away (divorced) party, or if you are the one putting away (divorcing) your "h". Based on what I have read from you, it seems to me that you are the one who is doing the putting away (divorcing), so I can only surmise that your "h" must have been unfaithful to you. Otherwise, you would have no Scriptural grounds to put away (divorce) your "h" unless unfaithfulness occurred on the part of your "h".

If this is the case, then you can pursue a relationship with either molasses or maple syrup. Whatever you do, do NOT use corn syrup. Corn is pollinated at times by bees, and that bee may very well have been engaging in the production of "h". We do not wish to have the appearance of evil, so make sure that your molasses or maple syrup does not come in any packaging that could be misconstrued as being "h" or any "h" related product.

Additionally, I would suggest that you use Brer Rabbit Molasses or Log Cabin Maple Syrup. Do NOT use Mrs. Butterworth's, whatever you do, for we have yet to determine if you are or are not indeed harboring any repressed homosexual feelings. Mrs. Butterworth's comes in an attractive, full-figured bottle, and it is important that we keep temptation at arm's length.

Finally, the safest course of action would be for you to remain "h", molasses and syrup celibate, but not all of us have this gift. It is given only to those whom it is given, and we each have our own gift. "I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one kind and one of another." (1 Corinthians 7:7)

Sister Marie wrote: "I need your help with this matter. As Christians, I hope that you will all be loving while guiding me in the right direction on this."

I hope I have helped!

In Him, and "h" and all "h" related products and Disney free,

David R. Ferguson

Gwen to all involved in the honey issue,

I have been following the chain of events, and have sent most of the emails on to my daughter.

Needless to say I have been completely amused and had many a laugh. Sarcasm and absurdity can be a great tool.

However, I am saddened as well. Is this what we (church of Christ) look like to outsiders? Are we really this intolerant and dogmatic?

Preach on!


Robert Dozier to Gwen:

I am afraid we do look this intolerant and dogmatic. The good news is that we are not alone. Most evangelicals are cast in the same light.

It's OK to be hated for standing against SIN (1 John 3:12-13), but the honey thread shows how the intolerance of things not said to be sin (like social drinking) comes across.

The early Christians changed the world by being Christians. They, being full of good works, demonstrated what Christianity is all about, and converted many via good influences, not through an attempt to legislate morality or criminalize everything that someone might think is wrong.

Perhaps it should be said that you can attract more with honey than vinegar, but we prefer the vinegar.

Robert Dozier

David Ferguson to Robert Dozier:

Brother Dozier wrote: "Perhaps it should be said that you can attract more with honey than vinegar, but we prefer the vinegar."

Those of us who are in the know, though, realize that vinegar is the approved Scriptural method.

You did leave out one small but very important word, brother Dozier, from the above sentence I quoted, and that is the word flies . More flies is what is said can be attracted with "h" than vinegar, and this is manifestly so. An abundance of flies, as we all know, is a sure-fire sign of demonic activity and possession occurring, as was so vividly and accurately portrayed in the best documentary film of all time, The Amityville Horror. "H", which is Satan's syrup, would naturally, then, draw hordes of these pestilent creatures, these minions of the Devil, to its source. Jesus said,

13. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." (Matthew 7:13-19)

Jesus was referring to those followers of that Devil's brew called "h", who are many , just as the flies are many . Few will choose to eschew a "h" free lifestyle, in spite of the clearly spoken Biblical admonitions against it, and will continue to imbibe this evil substance. Therefore, only those few of us, the literal 144,000 (Revelation 7:4-8) who have reached enlightenment with our intake of vinegar AND simultaneously have been sealed WITH "h" BY the Lord will get to spend eternity IN heaven!

Additionally, other than the obvious meaning of what Jesus stated above in Matthew 7:13-19, there is a hidden message for those of us with eyes to see and ears to hear, but one MUST use the KJV to find it, which is the ONLY acceptable translation of God's word, which further proves the righteousness of our cause. Here is the passage again:

13. Enter ye in at the S trait gA te: for wide is the gate, and broad is the waY , that leadeth to destructioN , and many there be which gO in thereat:

14. Because straiT is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth untO life, A nd few there be that find it.

15. Beware of faL se prophets, which come to you in sheep's cL othing, but inwardly tH ey are ravening wO lves.

16. Ye shall kN ow thE m bY their fruits. Do men gather graP es of thoR ns, or figs of thistles?

17. Even so every goO d tree bringeth forth gooD fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil frU it, neither can a C orrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19. Every
T ree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and caS t into the fire.

Some of you may have noticed that I have capitalized and bolded certain letters. When these are removed from the text, we have the following:


If one separates these letters into 6 words (666 , the Beast of Revelation, which is none other than the honeybee) one can read the following CLEARLY SPELLED OUT ADMONITION:

Say no to all honey products.

Folks, what other warning do we need? How many times does God have to tell us something before we will listen to Him?

In Him, "h" and all "h" products, mustard, and Disney free,

David R. Ferguson

Tina Collins here:

This whole thing is very distressing to me. What are those of us who need honey to do? I have been advised by my physician to take a little honey for my lungs' sake (and my oft infirmities). Is he talking about real honey or just bee juice?

Thanks for your help.


David Ferguson to Tina Rae Collins:

Sister Tina wrote: "This whole thing is very distressing to me. What are those of us who need honey to do? I have been advised by my physician to take a little honey for my lungs' sake (and my oft infirmities). Is he talking about real honey or just bee juice?"

Tina, is this a Christian doctor? My guess is that he is not; otherwise, why on earth would he be advising you to partake of ANYTHING having to with "h"?

This may have been good advice for one to follow thousands of years ago, but with today's modern medicines there is no reason at all for anyone to HAVE to take "h".

Besides that, what with the advent of the cross-breeding (ABOMINATION !) of bees that has transpired at the hands of the Godless Red Chinese, the "h" we have today is much more vile and potent than what was being produced during Biblical times. One would have to consume 100 gallons of "h" from the days of Christ to be the equivalent of what can be found in just one teaspoonful of today's "h".

I am also quite certain that ALL physicians should be banned from receiving any of our money. Just look at their symbol:

2 snakes (serpents!) intertwined suggestively around a rod! The serpents represent Satan: "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:9) The spread wings behind the rod the serpents intertwine represent the angels that were cast out of heaven along with Satan.

"For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt." (Revelation 9:19) Who among us has not experienced the pain of a shot inflicted upon us by the medical profession? The doctors PRETEND to care for you, but then they turn around and prescribe "h" after sticking you with a syringe! Doctors are OBVIOUSLY in league with Satan, and their own symbol, along with God's word, reveal that to us! DON'T BE FOOLED!!! "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." (John 8:44)

Notice, too, how Satan in this symbol is trying to co-opt the figure of a CROSS . The GREAT DECEIVER is trying to lower our inhibitions by using the figure of a cross so that we will not be aware of what THIS cross TRULY represents, and we will be lured into the lair of the physician, our PERIL unbeknownst to us, as the physician awaits to push his drug of choice, "h"!!

"H" prescribed for HEALTH purposes? Give me a break!

Sister Tina wrote: "Thanks for your help."

You are very welcome! I am delighted to be of assistance!

In Him,

David R. Ferguson


if I may come back in for one more comment here, did you also not notice how the dreaded double-serpent and wings resembles a BEE????

If there was any doubt before, this should be more than proof enough of the nature of this terrible blight we know as 'natural medicines.' Beware!

Try molasses, the truly sweet bread spread instead!

Manny Molasses

(aka Glenn Ziegler)

David Ferguson to Manny Molasses:

Yes, brother, you are right! It DOES resemble a BEE ! And as I briefly alluded to before, the physicians and nurses come at us with NEEDLES , representing the STINGER of the Bee , which is the Beast ( 666) of the book of Revelation. Just as the Anti-Christ Christopher Robin makes a slave out of Winnie the Pooh Bear (Hoop Bare) with "h", so, too, is the medical profession in league with Satan to make us all pawns enslaved to that evil elixir, "h," by trying to prescribe it to us for our lungs and their oft infirmities. It makes no difference if it is fully fermented "h" or simply bee juice, we MUST avoid any appearance of evil and never imbibe either for we may cause a weaker brother or sister to stumble, running out the door to find the nearest loose woman with "h" dripping off of her luscious lips!

Do I hear an amen?

In Him,

David R. Ferguson

Hello to the list. Robert Waters encouraged me to join after witnessing my battles in the great honey debate, I mean the great alcohol debate, on another list. My work limits my participation, but I'll join in when I can.

I am a graduate of Abilene Christian, spent 15 years working in Argentina, preached for 4 years in South Texas and now work for the Herald of Truth in Abilene. I look forward to exchanging ideas with everyone.

I have a honey-free blog which you can visit at:

http://web.mac. com/cordobatim

It's called "The Kitchen of Half-Baked Thoughts." Please visit and comment.

One final thought: while not directly tied to the honey debate, some interesting info on Queen Elizabeth and her possible involvement in the honey conspiracy:

http://www.regretth 2006/10/reuters_ typo_te.html

[I heard this while driving and almost had to pull over because of the tears streaming down my face from laughing so hard]. Have a great day!

---Tim Archer

David Ferguson to Tim Archer:

Welcome to our list, brother Archer! It is always good to have another strong soldier who is able to take such a stalwart stance against "h" and the minions of Satan who promote its consumption.

It is curious that you would post this about the Queen of England, which IS tied directly into the "h" debate. I have been contemplating this situation as well. As you probably already know, it is the queen bee who rules the hive of "h" making bees. A "h"comb has six sides. Therefore, the Beast of the book of Revelation (666 ) is none other than the Queen of England who heads up the Anglican Church of England in opposition to the Lord's true church. She is the Queen Bee, the Beast !

Great Britain gave up control of Hong Kong a few years ago to the Communist Red Chinese. This was all done in conjunction to increase the production of "h" to the required 144,000 metric tons annually, as per fulfillment of Scripture (Revelation 7:4-8), which the Lord will use to seal the literal 144,000 who will live eternally in heaven.

Once again, welcome to our list!

In Him, and suspicious of everyone and everything,

David R. Ferguson

David Ferguson to the list:

I received the following email from a friend of mine I had warned regarding the extreme danger confronting our nation and the church, which is "h". He makes some excellent suggestions!

Our restoration movement is growing, folks, so take heart and please be of good cheer!

"David, I think you have something here! A discovery that will save millions of people. Besides with the killer bees coming into our country we may not have to worry about honey. The killer bees may be like the flood. They will eliminate the desire for honey. On the other hand, maybe the scarcity of honey will drive the desire to have it even higher than it is. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

"One way or another we must stamp out this sinful behavior and everything connected with it. It might even be a good idea to stop saying 'be' nice or 'be' back soon and similar usages of the word 'be', as it sounds like that other word.

"Perhaps with this discovery of yours we should start a new religion. We could call it the church of 'bee-gone' or the church of 'bee-sure'. We could start a new reformation movement.

"What ever happened to 1 Corinthians 13? We all have faults but if there was more love at work in the church it seems we might have more tolerance and less time to find fault.

"I'm glad we are able to share our frustrations but some would probably object on the basis of making light of God's word, but those are the ones who talk of loving one another but seldom display that love.

"I see mercy covering a multitude of mistakes and sins, but not for the hypocrite. I think God wants an honest effort on our part to serve Him seriously and happily.

"Hang in there, preacher."

Joe Hanley to Tim Archer and David Ferguson:

Dear Honey anti's,

Welcome, Tim, aboard this "h" free thread and to the list that thus far has allowed this to continue which bodes well for the continuance of a thought that has far-reaching implications.

Be it known that I am the chief of the honey police and you will be carefully watched for your abstinence, intolerance of all honey connected facilities, and your attitude towards those who, on occasion, may be exposed to "h" and its incipient and dangerous ways, even if this exposure is by accident.

Further, you must be ever so careful to "couch" your words in ways that never give an indication or encouragement to any to even go near "h" or those that go near those that go near "h" or even down to the thirtieth generation of "h" fellowshippers and on occasion, if personalities are such, to an infinite number of generations.

The honey police are watching.

Peace to you as long as you do it my way!


David Ferguson to the list:

In the book of Daniel, chapter 10, is found one of the most important passages in the entire Bible as he, Daniel, explains his visions to Cyrus king of Persia. It is closely tied to the visions of John in the book of Revelation. For those of us who have eyes to see and ears to hear a further revelation is given, but once again, one HAS to use the authorized KJV ONLY to be able to understand the hidden message. Here it is:

1. In thE third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was reveaLed unto DanIel, whose name was called BelteshazZar; and the thing wAs true, But the time appointed was long: and hE understood The tHing, and had understanding of the vision.

2. In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weekS.

3. I ate no pleasanT bread, neither came flesHnor winE in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

4. And in the four and twentieth day of the first month, as I was By the sidE of the greAt river, which is Hiddekel;

5. Then I lifted up mine eyeS, and looked, and behold a certain man cloThed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:

6. His bOdy also was like the Beryl, and his Face as the appeaRance of lightning, and his Eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the Voice of his words like the voicE of a muLtitude.

7. And I Daniel alone saw The visIon: for the men that were with me saw not the visiOn; but a great quaking fell upoN them, so that they fled to hiDe themselves.

8. TherefOre I was left aloNe, and saw this great visiOn, and There remained no strength in me: for my Comeliness was turned in me intO corruptioN, and I retained no Strength.

9. Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the groUnd.

10. And, behold, an hand touched Me, which sEt me upon my knees and upon the palms of my Hands.

11. And he said unto me, O DaNiel, a man grEatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.

12. Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first daY that thou dIdst seT thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy Words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

13. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, Lo, MichaeL, one of the chief princeS, camE to help me; and I remaiNeD there with the kings of Persia.

14. Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thY people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

15. And when he had spOken sUch words unTo me, I set my face tOward the ground, and I became dumb.

16. And, beHold, one likE the simiLitude of the sons of men touched my Lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood beFore me, O my loRd, by the vision my sorrows Are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.

17. For how can the servant of this my Lord taLk with this my lord? fOr as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.

18. Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance oF a man, and he strengthened me,

19. And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto theE, be sTrong, yea, bE stRong. And when he had spoken uNto me, I was strengThened, and said, Let mY lord speak; FoR thOu hast strengthened Me.

20. Then said he, Knowest Thou wherefore I come unto tHee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the princE of Grecia shall come.

21. But I wilL shew thee that which is nOted in the scripture of truth: and theRe is none that holDeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

Once again, when broken down the following letters emerge:


So God is telling us here, "Elizabeth is the Beast of Revelation. Do NOT consume honey. It will send you to hell for all of eternity. From the Lord."

So, folks, you have been duly WARNED!!!

In Him, still suspicious of everyone and everything,

David R. Ferguson

David Ferguson to the list:

Just minutes ago, on the very day that it was discovered and revealed that according to the Bible the Queen of England is the Beast (666 ) of the book of Revelation as confirmed from Daniel chapter 10, while returning home from doing some visiting and minding my own business while enjoying a beautiful, "h"-free Autumn afternoon, a white Jeep bearing the license plate AQUEEN 3 appeared suddenly and CUT ME OFF!

Didn't O.J. drive a white Bronco?

Why would this have happened TODAY of all days??? Is it because WE are now aware of THEM and we will no longer sit silently by as the rest of the sheeple do, imbibing our "h"?

AQUEEN 3 obviously is in reference to the unholy trinity alliance of Satan , the Beast ( 666) who is the Queen of England, and the Anti-Christ , who is Christopher Robin.

I, for one, will NOT be silenced, and neither will I be intimidated by THEIR ruthless tactics!

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for Thou art with me; Thy rod and Thy staff they comfort me." (Psalm 23:4)

(All kidding aside, this really DID happen just a few minutes ago. And in light of what we have been discussing, this was the first time in my life that I was delighted to have someone cut me off in traffic for it went so well with what we have been talking about, especially earlier today. I couldn't wait to share it with all of you "h" antis.)

In Him,

David R. Ferguson

We need to remember that John the Baptist's diet was largely honey, and it was by divine sanction, and therefore not a sin. If he could partake of it, without sin, so can we.

In fact we would do well to eat honey, since it is a pure food that is made available by God we can not eat better than a germ free substance! The honey marketing board has a slogan which says,"Honey for health" and "For goodness sake, eat honey". They cannot be proved wrong!

Max Burgin to list:

There has been much talk about honey, most of which is nonsense, even the Bible says, "eat honey because it is good, and the honeycomb...." Proverbs 24:13. I worked seven years for a beekeeper who had twelve hundred hives, and during the extraction season, which was spring, summer, and autumn, we used to take about three tons of honey, and about fifty pounds of beeswax.

Not many people know that honey is a pure food, in which no germ can live longer than about thirty minutes, it is used in many medicines and cosmetics, so most people partake of it, in some form, and are unaware of it.

David Ferguson to Max Burgin:

"For the lips of a loose woman drip honey, and her speech is smoother than oil...." (Proverbs 5:3)

"If you have found honey, eat only enough for you, lest you be sated with it and vomit it." (Proverbs 25:16)

"It is not good to eat much honey, so be sparing of complimentary words." (Proverbs 25:27)

Brother Burgin, isn't the Bible, the word of God, clear in its condemnation of "h" consumption as
sin in any amount for anyone? Doesn't the Bible teach us that even a drop of "h" consumption will send us into a lustful frenzy, seeking the nearest loose woman with "h" dripping from her luscious lips that we can find, because it is so much more potent today than it was during Biblical times? Shouldn't we just ignore or explain away any passages that fly in the face of our anti "h" doctrine? You aren't suggesting that our doctrine could be faulty, are you, brother Burgin?

Brother Joe, our Chief of the "H" Police, are you seeing this?

Brother Burgin, haven't you seen the passages from Daniel chapter 10 that CLEARLY send the message for those with eyes to see and ears to hear that the Queen of England is the Beast ( 666) of Revelation, and that consuming honey will send us to hell for all of eternity? Why, Daniel 10 even NAMES the Beast: Elizabeth ! Don't you realize that a honeycomb has 6 sides? Aren't you aware that the word honeycomb as written in the authorized KJV has 3 syllables? 3 syllables of a six-sided object CLEARLY equals 666 !

David R. Ferguson

Joe Hanley to Max Burgin,

You are perfectly right about honey being what it is. The fruit of the tree of knowledge was also good to look at and good for food and look what it got us.

Care must be taken in our hostile religious climate to be sure our "honey" is absolutely pure and without germs. That is why we all need to watch out for those who would contaminate our honey with foreign substances (ideas that do not fit our mold).



Your brother George K. Howsepian to our dear brother Max Burgin,

I'm a weak brother, a VERY weak brother, and MY conscience tells me
otherwise, to abstain. You go ahead and ENJOY yourself with what John had. Don't forget to share with those who have nothing, UNLIKE the Corinthians who thought eating The Lord's Supper meant eating without sharing with the POOR. Myself, I'm going to "partake" of a "little wine" for my "stomach's sake" and enjoy it MYSELF, unless I may have the pleasure and privilege of dividing it among my guests that they may drink together WITH me.

I DO "remember" John came, NOT eating (REAL food, the GOOD stuff, with
real PEOPLE) and drinking (REAL drink, the GOOD stuff, with real PEOPLE) and THEY (you know them religious folk and how THEY are) said he was MAD (not ANGRY, just a little loco en la cabeza) and I also "remember" JESUS came, AND "by divine sanction," He ATE real food and lot's of it and the GOOD stuff TOO with real down home people folk and He DRANK, real DRINK, the GOOD stuff and if there wasn't any He turned water INTO it with real down home PEOPLE folk, NOT them holy, Bible toting RELIGIOUS type and they (THEM type) said he had a DEMON. Them Bible studying, church going, RELIGIOUS type folk said JESUS, my sweet LORD Jesus, had a DEMON (inside His body somewhere just making Him say and do and eat and drink all KINDS of things God had forbidden for His chosen people to DO). Jesus did MANY things "without sin" and was blessed. We can ALSO do many things and be blessed, glory to His Name.

May God have mercy on us forever.

Peace and grace to you, dear brother.

Your brother George K. Howsepian to our dear brother Max Burgin,

I don't give a germ thirty SECONDS to live in alcohol, which is ALSO "used in many medicines and cosmetics" and like h----, "most people 'partake' of IT" unawares "in SOME form" or another. It also may be used in place of, or combined WITH, oil, to fuel a lamp for LIGHT or to power an ENGINE to drive a CAR!

May God have mercy on those who "partake" of things they should NOT, those who DON'T "partake" of the things that they SHOULD, and those who at times, for one reason or another, may not know the difference.

Peace and grace to you, dear brother.

George old buddy you're really becoming a Philosopher in your young age. . .and your poetic notation about "knowing the difference" is pretty much right on in this arena of thought. I could wish we could challenge each other to think a little longer. . .and maybe even repeat what the OTHER person has said. . .even IF they have a building with a different name on it !

I DO know some who refuse to take Nyquil. . .due to some alcohol in it. . .but I remember talking to a Hebrew about Passover wine. . .and the special "fermentation" process it takes to get it and asked about if they EVER had thought of having non-alcoholic wine maybe just for Passover and he said, "Well, if we didn't care about doing Passover maybe. . .but we've NEVER ever done it in my heritage" but, amazingly enough I've actually seen arguments against it from Christians. . .we just don't plow very deep sometimes. . .the Verner who loves YOU unconditionally and permanently.

Your brother George K. Howsepian to our dear brother the Verner who loves us,

For consistency sake, these SAME "who refuse to TAKE" must ALSO refuse to shellac their FURNITURE, or remain in an area where their shellac is DRYING lest any intoxicating fumes cause them to lose their sober MINDS, or is THAT not the whole PURPOSE of refusing "to TAKE?"

Is it just what touches a man's LIPS which defiles him and NOT his losing his sober MIND?

Isn't it whatever gets in his bloodstream in any WAY?

Does defilement have ANYTHING to do at ALL with what goes INTO a man, whether through his mouth or nose or veins or ANY of the many ways man can "take" ANYTHING?

Isn't it what comes OUT of a man's mouth which defiles him and NOT what goes IN?

We all KNOW what happens to what goes INTO a man's mouth, don't WE? "We" SAY Jesus was right ON when He taught about these things but our ATTITUDES sometimes prove we believe OTHERWISE.

May God have mercy on us.

Peace and grace to you, dear brother.

Tom Thornhill here to the list;

The drivel you are putting out about honey is exactly the way many people in the denominational world see the scriptures. They defend their positions in the same fashion. I sure hope you and doing this tongue in cheek. But, at the same time you seem to belittle some who sincerely want to understand the scriptures, and properly handle them. That is the way I view it, but I'm not wasting a great deal of time worrying about it.

Brotherly, Tommy

Tommy thanks for the input I might differ on ONE small detail . . .this is how I see US defending our positions re: the scriptures . . . .

One example . . .during the Lord's Supper - where did we get PRAYERS FROM?

There is a BLESSING in there . . .but I think I am the only one I know that ever uses it . . . .

I have had people take me to task for using the actual blessing Jesus said during the Lord's Supper . . .and threatened to never attend again . . .where is that authorized?

Well that's one . . .but there ARE always those who DO WANT to properly handle the scripture . . .and I thank God for them . . .hope you are another one . . . .

The Verner who loves YOU unconditionally and permanently simple agape.

PS - As far as honey goes us diabetics struggle with that especially that creamed honey from Canada . . .to die for . . .for me almost literally!

Joe Hanley to the Verner

As chief of the honey police may I compliment you, my brother, in getting clearly the message and being able to put it in terms all of us can understand. There are many, many things in our religious practices that are akin to the honey allegory that Bro. David started.

Honey in the context of David's satire is an evil substance.



Joe Hanley to Bro. Tommy Thornhill,

It is a bit of tongue in cheek, but I would refer you to Glenn's post to Max on this.

You are 100% correct that others outside of the Church of Christ see the scriptures in this fashion.

It is my experience after 60 years in the Lord's church that many of my dear brethren view their narrow approach to scriptures with great fervor. I grew up in the 40's and on and am still growing up, I think.

During that time we had a "brotherhood" paper called the Church Messenger that published names and congregations that had been withdrawn from over hearsay information.

While in California attending a Brea, CA congregation a brother went on vacation and had visited the good folks in Boonville, Arkansas, the editor of the Church Mess and got a list of congregations and brethren that must be avoided at all costs. This action is ungodly, devilish, addictive, and as many other negative epithets you can think of. IT IS DOWNRIGHT SIN.

I'm happy to say the editors of this "brotherhood" paper confessed wrong and sincerely asked for the forgiveness of 1,000's of folks and those he personally had maligned.

This attitude, dear brother, is still prevalent today in many ways and THAT is what the honey thread is all about, which I am confident you are aware. I salute you on your feelings for Bro. Max. I also appreciate Bro. Glenn's approach to this thread.

Jesus did not practice this kind of religion. Paul did not practice it. I think Peter, James, and others tried to practice it and Paul withstood them to the face.

Pray, brother, for tolerance. We don't have to give up what is right to be kind, tolerant, and peaceful. Jesus didn't.

Peace in His precious name,

Joe Hanley

Tina Collins here:

I think we all are trying hard to avoid the obvious here, and that is that (and I hang my head in shame even to speak the words) we all know where this evil got its big push. Yes, that's right, with the denominations. We are always following them in their pernicious ways. It was that BAPTIST who made demon honey popular. I've got scripture to back this up so I know it's right.

Matthew 3:1 ?In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Matthew 3:4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.

John got what was coming to him, but we have lost our heads in our desire to be like those about us; and we will reap everlasting torment for not using CENI to help us rid ourselves of the evil that cost the Baptist his life. Can we not learn from the mistakes of others? Mercy!



You are a riot. . .but be very careful to differentiate between the WILD honey and the tame honey those two don't even have fellowship with each other. . .so we can see that John made a mistake and he paid for it with his head. . .it never does to get a heavy-breathing woman MAD. . .or mess with her honey.

Now about that LEATHER GIRDLE. . .now THAT is another story don't forget to follow CENI on that one. . .or maybe to NOT. . .sometimes it is hard to figure out the fors and the againsts. . .I mean I had to build a second story on just to come into line on the Lord's Supper. . .I hope electric lights can be thought of as "burning" even if they don't put people to sleep in the Biblical way. . .oh, here in Texas I don't allow people to sit in the window I know I'll be marked DOWN for that. . .and I do keep the air conditioner ON whoops I guess I just flunked the whole shebang. . .the Verner who loves YOU y eah, that's not CENI either. . .I've got a LONG way to go. . .